Practice, Not Pickup (with Violet Lange)

Jason Lange: All right, and welcome back, everybody. Been a minute, but once again, very excited to be joined by my lovely wife, Violet Lang. We've done a few fantastic episodes together, and we're back here again to talk about how to get unstuck with the feminine, and in particular, the importance of. Sometimes what you really need is time in front of the feminine. To get unstuck with the feminine.

Violet Lange: Yes. Yeah. I have heard a lot from people in general, but I'll just specify for men, like, you know, I'm doing my work, I feel pretty connected to myself, and then I see a sexy woman and I just freeze. Or I go back into, like, my shame or my inner child, or I try to hide my desire. And for women, what I hear from women is, yeah, like, I just start getting giddy like a little girl, or I kind of fawn. Or similarly to men, like, I freeze. And. And so there's a way that we can train our nervous system to be really resilient through practices with just men or just women, through doing our own shadow work. And there's a whole layer of activation that happens when you're in the room, or virtual room, in this case, real time, with someone of. Of the opposite sex or someone that's practicing polarity with you, even if they're the same sex, but someone who's holding the masculine pole or holding the feminine pole. And to me, this feels edgy in some ways because either we're going to be with someone virtually in a practice room that is like, oh, my gosh, I feel like a lot of attraction here, or we're going to be with someone that we maybe don't naturally feel attraction with and have our stories come up of, like, oh, like, I never meet someone who's sexy enough for me or who can really meet me or, you know, deep enough or whatever it is to kind of lack woe is me story. But what you and I have both found is, you know, you can. You can fall in love with people by practicing polarity, and you can fall in love with yourself by expanding your range and deepening yourself by practicing polarity. And so I'm really excited about this idea of getting unstuck with the feminine and getting unstuck with the masculine kind of at the same time, so that we can create a world where there's more understanding and more connection, where we can celebrate our differences but also find some unity who. Cause right now, everyone is just living in silos and kind of tearing each other down.

Jason Lange: Yeah. I think this ties into something I've Been noticing a lot in our Pillars program that Mel and I run that, you know, you've been doing some sessions with guys, sometimes inside and outside of now, too, and that this is particularly for single people. But, you know, the challenge with finding a partner or creating relationship, I'm now seeing more and more is twofold. There's literally finding the person, so filtering, getting in front of the right person who's gonna match your values and connection and all that. And that's a whole layer that everyone has to deal with. Online dating profiles, getting out there. But then there's the second part, which is what happens when you're actually in front of that person. So let's say all the fates align, and there you are. You're actually. You've met someone virtually or in person that has the potential to be your partner. Now there's that stop gap in the sense of, okay, now how am I actually being. What kind of presence can I hold in particular as the masculine, to magnetize that partner and make sure we. We. We progress from that step in a sense. Right? This is like the, you know, listeners will know our story that it's. It came down to I have to walk across the room and talk to someone. I had to walk across the room and talk to you, right? And then I had to be in a certain place to make that engaging for you. And had I not been able to be that way in my body, that that can be the thing. And so, you know, what we can do in the Pillars program a lot is help with the first part in a lot of ways, in terms of, okay, what's going on in your life, how can we orient. How can we create the conditions so you're more likely to meet a partner in the right space? And then what can you do on your side to be as ready as you can? But then there's the very real thing I think you're pointing to that it's. There's only one way to play ball. You can practice, and you can practice, but then you actually have to be in front of a person to have all the old patterns come up, have the old stories come through. And then you have to kind of practice your way through that.

Violet Lange: And.

Jason Lange: And that's a very rare thing, you know, for. For some men in particular, more on the single side who are, you know, certainly I've worked with guys who feel very stuck because the chances they get are so few and far between because of just how things are situated for them right now. And online dating and, you know, it's kind of a mess. So, you know, they might not be getting a ton of dates to practice, which then puts a lot of pressure on those individual dates to not only hopefully develop a relationship, but also be expanding their capacity.

Violet Lange: Yes, absolutely. I mean, to me, it's a tragedy that men have so few experiences with women because the distortions of online dating and the profiles, the AI sex bots, and not to mention just the fear that some women carry and the unfortunately modern culture that's now like, oh, you know, men are predators. And it's like, fuck, we're just, again, like, creating more and more boundaries for people to see and be with and grow with someone who has integrity, who is willing to do the work. And I want to tell, like, a little story from the perspective of the feminine as a corollary, to maybe inspire or get men to think about this in a different way. So I have a client that I'm working with, and her growing edge right now is to really embody her sexuality. Now, she has told me from the beginning, well, I. I rarely see men and meet men that I would even want to be sexual with or, or do that, you know, like, had that connection with. So why do I have to do that now? And I'm telling her, the flower opens and the bee appears, right? Like, if you're waiting to connect your sexuality until you find your partner, you're not going to find your partner. And the corollary with men is like, if you're waiting to get experience with the feminine until conditions are just right, or until, you know, the apps start working in the favor of men, or until culture, like, celebrates the masculine more, you know, you could be waiting. And so I think it's opportunity for men and women to be like, okay, shit, this is an edge for me. I need to do my work and I need to grow in my range. And that's the cool thing, is that, like, you and I, Jason, are partners, but we're also practice partners. We're also, like, trying to grow in our range of the things that we can bring, the energies and textures we can bring with each other. So if you're a couple, you can still do this type of work. If you're a man in partnership, you can still do this type of work, obviously, in a way that's really respectful of your partnership or joining containers with your partner and being like, okay, we're going to be in breakout rooms by ourselves. We want more passion, we want more boldness, we want more fullness of. Of who we are. And really, it's that process of being led through something. And we've talked about this with evolutionary couples, but I want to talk about it with singles too. Is that one of the amazing parts of dating you was that you brought structure. You brought the little, like, deck of cards for authentic relating. You brought prompts. You planned great dates. And I see now, like, that took something, right? That took a body of experience that you already had with authentic relating, a willingness to put yourself out there and be like, hey, I want to try this thing with you, or I planned this, you know, tango dance with you. And I didn't even tell you, like, where we're going. And I think for some men who've been burned quite a bit or who haven't had very many experiences with women, maybe even haven't been sexual with a woman, it's like, oh, like, do I really want to take that big of a risk? And so when you are in a co ed practice container where that's the game that we're playing and that's the. The roadmap that we're walking, you get to relax and just be like, okay, the leader of this container is going to worry about keeping safety. So I don't have to pretend to be the good guy because I don't want the woman to think that I have an agenda. It's like, no, crystal clear, just practicing. It's not about, like, me trying to get a date with this woman. And then also crystal clear is that I don't have to bring all the structure as a man. Like, someone else is giving me the prompts and leading me through embodiment practices and helping me find these different layers of myself and giving me a time to be vulnerable. Because what I've seen through my Radiant Love program, which was co ed, and then through some workshops that I've been leading that are co ed both men and women. But we have these stories of like, well, no one would ever want me because of X, Y, Z, or I can't possibly tell this person about this part of me. And I can say through the curiosity games that I've been playing with some of the pillars guys that, that the times that I'm leaning in the most are when they are sharing their vulnerability from an embodied presence. And sometimes that's erotic, sometimes that that's not, but just like this full hearted, courageous, like, vulnerable. Share. And so both men and women sometimes hold in because they're like, oh, this is a reason I can't find partner. And when we break through that barrier and say, actually I'm going to share this part of me, whether it offends this person or not, because it's actually a really low risk situation that I'm in. And then we see that the person leans in or lights up or meets us with softness and grace. And it's like, oh, wow, I've been carrying this for maybe a decade and it's actually not a big deal. And the other caveat that I want to make is that not only is it hard sometimes to get experiences with the feminine or for women to get experiences with the masculine, it's actually also hard to find experiences that are attuned to. It's like, I don't expect anyone to just go out there and be like, oh, practice vulnerability with every man you meet or every woman you meet. It's like, you and I work with people who have already done some of their personal work and some of their embodiment and some of their consciousness so that you know that you're going to be having, even if it's not like the most sexy experience of your life, maybe there is some erotic energy that you're like, wow, that wasn't a texture I was expecting. Like, that's exciting, that's enlivening to me. Okay, it wasn't super erotic, but I feel nourished in a way that like, I didn't even know I needed that flavor of the feminine. So we're kind of talking about this program called the Love Field that I am opening this summer. It's a co ed practice group. And beyond practice, it's also about healing. So we're going to have some of the sessions be about heart healing, about constellations, which is a type of shadow work, about unburdening ourselves from our developmental trauma or lineage trauma or cultural trauma that we've absorbed, about what it means to be a man or a woman or be in touch with our sexuality. And then we're also going to be doing the embodiment practices to get into our body in a co ed space. So you can be like, ooh, this feels great. There's like 13 women on this call that are like finding their pleasure and I can hear them moaning. Like, that feels great. And then breakout rooms where you can actually practice the polarity, where you can practice vulnerability and practice holding attention and practice noticing with each other. So I'm super excited about this because I feel like, again, this is the integrative medicine that our world needs and, and it's just the practical next step for a lot of men and women. Who've been working with you and I or doing their own work on their own and they're like, I'm still a little bit stuck and I need more practice and I need more confidence and I need more feedback.

Jason Lange: Yeah. And I think, you know, obviously the most engaging thing to a lot of people these days in social media is polarity. And that's a word that pulls them in. And the, the great thing about spaces like this, you know, like I, I did a bunch of training and you came to some workshops with me where you practice in person. And there's actually a really important thing that can happen when you in a sense get to practice polarity whether you're attracted to the person or not. And what I mean by that is the, the, the, the skills. It is like a physics, you know, it's like a physics that can get intensified when you are super attracted to the person. But learning that, oh, there's way, there's things I can do that will create a response on the other side of the pole that are actually independent of attraction in a sense. They create attraction independent of all the things we think make us attracted to someone. Why I just think that's important is a, it actually helps you see how effective they are in my experience. Right. Like, wow, this is, this is real, right. This is someone who I wasn't feeling attracted to. We do these practices and now I can feel a flow of energy that wasn't there before. And in some sense it's easier to kind of see the results when you're coming in from a different place. And in some ways it can make it easier to practice too because you're getting to focus on the tools more than the bound up what's going to happen with this? Which then gets extended in the container as well. That the idea is, yeah, this is a practice space, not a pickup space in a sense.

Violet Lange: Right.

Jason Lange: Where there is a strong container and everything afterwards. So you don't have to worry about, well, is this going to mean the person thinks X, Y or Z? No, you can let go of that. Which means you can actually, you know, do the skill building with all. Without all the extra layers and context around it.

Violet Lange: Absolutely. And some of it is a fine tuning. You know, some of you listening might be like, I've done a lot of men's work and I go on dates and like, and I'm starting to lose hope because I still don't have my partner. Or I'm like wondering what's the deeper meaning of all this or when will I Meet someone who's like actually conscious and able to meet me in the ways that I want to be met. And so there's a refinement that happening that happens not only from the practice, but then when we say getting feedback, it's giving each person an opportunity to say, I loved when you did this, this and this. And I could have used more of this. I could have used more of this texture or I could have used more of like this in your posture. And that way when you are in real life meeting up with someone or on the apps or at an event or you know, at a coffee shop, it's like, oh, my body remembers how it is to take up more space, you know, or my hips, you know, speaking for the feminine, my hips remember what it's like to like have a little bit of a sway and I have a visceral memory of how that created charge or I have a visceral memory of how someone said, I actually can't feel your heart. I'm like, oh, shit. Yep, I need to take some deeper breaths and connect my own tenderness. So it's, it's kind of, you know, like you said, it's, you're practicing and the more that you practice, the more that those skills just feel automatic and like second nature when you're having an actual opportunity. And I mean, I would love it if people met their partner in this container. I think it's possible, but it's not an agenda, it's not an outcome I'm focused on. It's really about how do we literally come together real time to refine, to strengthen our nervous systems and to create more shared humanity. Because like you said, I think a lot of us are, well, not me obviously in partnership with you, but a lot of people are walking around with these mental constructs of like, oh, I need her body type to be just like this, or like, oh, I need his height to be this way. Or oh, like I could never date someone who xyz. And I'm not asking anyone to abandon their vision, their values or their authentic turn on, but I am asking us to like get a little bit out of our heads and our constructs about men and women and dating and get more into that real time experience. Because you might just find that you're at the grocery store and maybe don't meet someone that's going to become your partner, but you're like, wow, I like had an erotic exchange of energy just by the way that I walked through the aisle and I noticed that woman looking at me and so if you're a man, you're like, I'm starting to walk through the world differently, whether I have my partner or not. Like, fuck, it feels great to be noticed by women or it feels great to like not be in my head about what should I say and just be feeling the erotic energy and the presence that I'm bringing. And you know, you give all sorts of challenges to your guys and pillars to bring the work into the world. And I give challenges to my women too, but it's different. There's a level of accountability when it's happening real time and you're getting feedback in the moment. And this is both a beginner practice and a mastery practice. Like you could spend the rest of your life doing clarity practice and keep learning more about yourself and about your patterns of attraction. And you can be doing it in the beginning where you're like, I'm getting out of a divorce and I haven't dated in 15 years and I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

Jason Lange: Yeah, totally. That seems really key and you know, like what you said, it's something we really work a lot with pillars on. Of. Yeah. Reformatting the expectations of what you think a partner is going to look like or the checklist. So many people walk through life with which, you know, there's a certain degree of, you want certain values based thing and non negotiables. But a lot of times those lists block you from actual experiences that are, you know, people who are really available to you in front of your own cock blocking. Yeah, exactly. In that. The, the other piece too. Right. A huge part of all the work I do with men is. Yeah. The art of learning to receive feedback. And that feedback is how we grow. And one of the challenges and real pain points, particularly single men I work with is the system doesn't really. It's not conducive to healthy feedback. Right now in the actual dating scene, most people don't have the skills for how to give the feedback and so they just ghost or they make up the, you know, there's all these branches that.

Violet Lange: Friend zone.

Jason Lange: Yeah, friend zone. Or I disappear or you know, whatever it is, I'm just too busy in life. Instead of, you know, the, the feedback about just. Yeah, you know, here's the honest truth. Here's what I enjoyed about being with you and here's, you know what I could use more of the, you know, again, that frame we all use in that getting that can be so key because otherwise you just, you know, you can Just go out and keep having the same dating experiences because you don't know what is not exactly working until someone tells you.

Violet Lange: Right.

Jason Lange: And getting delivered that feedback in a loving, safe way, I think is such a game changer, potentially for so many people, for men and women alike.

Violet Lange: Yeah, totally. I mean, we're coaches. We're not guardian angels. Right. Like, we can't literally be on your shoulder on a date and be like, oh, you totally closed your heart and made a sarcastic comment and, like, that shut him down. You know, I'm speaking, like, if I was coaching a woman, or, oh, like, you kind of clasped your shoulders and went into your, like, kind of younger self and, like, she stopped feeling you and she wondered what was going on. So she turned around and, like, started talking to her friend. And then the moment passed. Like, we aren't there in those micro. Micro moments. So. So we're doing the best that we can to get people 80% of the way, but there's this other layer that really needs to happen. Yeah. And I think that sometimes feeling stuck then becomes an identity. Like, oh, I'm just not good with men, women. Or, you know, men just don't notice me. Or, like, I mentioned that woman, I just don't see, you know, attractive people. And it's like when we. When we do the work ourselves, the things start shifting. Right. Like, I think we've shared this part of our story, but I'm just gonna share it again. When I had the dream about Jason before meeting him in real life, it was the same night that he was doing an ayahuasca ceremony that was all about wanting to be met by the feminine. So we were both doing our work in individual ways, getting more and more clear on what we want. And while I think polarity is really important, I do just wanna make a distinction that sometimes we then let that become just another box of, like, oh, I'm not masculine enough, or, I'm not feminine enough, or, like, oh, I should want a partner is, you know, whatever some of my clients say, like a Viking, you know, like, that sort of, like, warrior energy. But when I really drill. Drill down with them, they're like, I actually just want to feel safe and that I can be as fiery as I need to. Like, well, you don't have to be with a Viking to bring your fire and to be held and safe in your fire. You might actually need, like, a mountain man who's just super connected to the earth and has, like, a heart of gold and is more introverted. Like, this is just an example of we think we know what we need and want. And I don't want clarity to be a box around that because I also talk to men sometimes when I'm doing the pillars, challenges and stuff, and they're like, yeah, I actually just kind of want to be held by the feminine. Like, I want to be nurtured by her. I want to feel her unconditional love. And I guarantee there's women out there who have told themselves, I can't do that because then I'm being his mother. And then there's no polarity. And I'm like, what if you bringing that nurturing feminine is exactly the type of polarity he needs? And so we get to play with not only our ideas of what we think we want, but what we think the impact will be when we can play with the different flavors. And we've talked about this before, but part of polarity is light and dark, bringing our darkness, our witchiness, our, you know, primal desire. And part of it is the more like celestial, angelic nurturing. But you could also say that as, like, giving and taking, you know, being vulnerable and being more closed off, being more friendly, being more sexual. Like, there's 5 million polarities that you could do, because a polarity just means an opposite. And in the love field, we are actually going to be playing with reverse clarity as well. So that if you are a woman, you can have a chance to do a masculine embodiment practice and be like, wow, that's not easy. That's actually not easy for me to do. Or, you know what? This is really easy for me to do. And therefore I need to be even more aware when I'm walking through the world if I want to create polarity. So I think it's going to create. And I know it's going to create from other courses that I've done and other, like, date nights. You and I have led more compassion and empathy for each other that we might think, oh, I just want someone who can X, Y, Z. But, like, actually meeting someone like that requires a level of humanity and compassion that maybe we've been withholding out of fear of getting hurt.

Jason Lange: Yeah. And, you know, just to. To kind of play the other side there, too, about the first thing you put around, you know, mothering, nurturing, energy and attraction. You know, there can be a shadow side of that. And I've definitely worked with men's who. Who. Who do who, you know, want a mom, and then that's not so erotic. But the benefit of being in a peer Community is just like, you know, I see, say in men's groups, you can, it can actually be quite useful to suddenly make some peer female friends who can nurture you and see how hard it is for you to go through your dating process and provide you some of that. So paradoxically, you're not needing to get quite as much of that as you're out in the dating world, in dating space, just meaning, oh, I'm getting, I'm getting positive regard from women. And that means what I see often with men is I don't need it as much from other people. Like, when I'm getting my connection bucket full, it frees me up to be present and be bold and take chances in another way. And I think that's definitely, you know, something that certainly in the shadow work I do with men we often see bound together is men have so few sources of healthy feminine nourishment because, you know, even just as boys from a young age, right, the split from mom, as soon as sexual energy comes along, those, those things get conflated really fast and a lot of guys don't have anywhere to get touch or to get positive regard or feedback for the feminine. So getting into a co ed space is a place where you can get these parts of you nourished. I would, I would argue and paradoxically then free yourself up, which doesn't mean you can't then get that from a potential partner. But it feels very different when you're coming from a place of nourishment versus, oh my God, I need something from you.

Violet Lange: Yes. And you and I have shared this before. You can never expect one person to meet all of your needs. Like, that would just be a crushing burden. And so it is helpful to have connections and resources. And that also kind of rebuilds a community within yourself. Like feeling resourced and connected to different parts of yourself versus feeling like you're coming from dating, coming at dating, or coming to your partnership from a place of lack. And I think that's one of the biggest problems with modern dating is it creates a scarcity mindset. It creates an illusion of scarcity through like, oh my God, there's all these people on the apps, but no one wants to date me. That feels worse than being like, you know, oh yeah, I'm seeing some people from time to time and I'm noticing some interest in person and like, there's some people on Facebook I have a crush on. Like, you know, if you're, if you're looking to the apps for validation for men or women, like it's such a dangerous game versus getting real time validation. And some of the topics that we cover, that we covered on our first co ed workshop in the spring, Healing with the Feminine. It was recognizing like there was I think 13 women or 11 women and all of us saying, I have manipulated men in some way and I am so sorry. I've participated in toxic femininity instead of it just being like toxic masculine and women are perfect. You know, it's like something about that shifted men's nervous system. Like finally, finally people are admitting that there is a toxic feminine and that we have all enacted that in some way and that we are here to, to own that. Or announcing or sharing. Not announcing, but feeling the impact of lineage trauma and that we've all experienced lineage trauma and that sometimes the way we're showing up in dating or in our partnership has very little to do with us and our own intentions and our own skill set and has a lot to do with these ingrained nervous system patterns that we may have actually absorbed in the womb or one of the constellations. It came up like that the person's lineage had experienced quite a bit of sexual trauma with men. The men had experienced it, right? And we have this narrative of like, oh, only girls experience sexual abuse. It's like, hell no. You know, it's underreported for men, I think probably just as many men as women. But because of the shame and the stigma and it's not reported and it's not really talked about. And so in the room, being able to say and have multiple women validate, like men experience sexual abuse too. And it's absolutely not okay. And it is okay for them to be a victim and it is okay for them to say, this happened to me. And it is okay for them also to be seen just as virile and just as sexy and just as masculine. Even if they experience sexual trauma from a man, it doesn't take away their amazingness. So I feel like in some ways doing co ed work is edgier, right? For some people, right? Some, some people being in a same sex container is actually edgier because maybe they experience most of their trauma like from the same sex. But there's a way that being in a, in a co ed container can be edgier at times. But I have seen that the, the impact of the healing goes faster because you're, you're. There's more there. There's the masculine and the feminine there. There's ability to heal mama wounds. And d. You know, there's ability to like heal from past partnerships and just not have to hold it on your own. It doesn't take away from needing to have safe spaces where we can do work just with men or just with women. But it's an additive that I think most people don't realize that they're missing.

Jason Lange: Definitely. I think additives is a great way to put it there in that you, you gotta do both. Right. Because if, if you're just jumping into co ed containers because you don't trust mention, that's going to show up in your relationship to the feminine and vice versa. If you're a woman who doesn't fully trust women so you just gravitate towards men and the masculine, that's going to impact things too, particularly in a long term relationship. Because if your partner can't be resourced, that falls on you. And you know, I see that in so many men I work with and one of the big things they change is wow, actually I can get a lot of my resource from men and then that actually makes me feel safer to my partner rather than I'm needing to get everything from them and vice versa. And you know, to be frank, it's one of the big red flags we'll often point out when we're working with men. If they get into a relationship with a woman and she has no women around her, that often is a pretty big reveal that there's something unhealed there that's going to be kind of pushed onto you as a man and that's can be very challenging. So you gotta do both. Right. Like you said, an additive is the right word where they don't replace each other, but they definitely cross chain, do cross, cross train and support each other in that sense.

Violet Lange: Yes. And this program is open to men who haven't done pillars, although I strongly suggest you have already done pillars and it would be good to know that you've already done some sort of men's work. But maybe you join this program and then you're like, I have more work I need to do with men and then you go do pillars or vice versa. You join this program and you're like, oh, there's some wounds with the feminine that I need to heal. And so I'm going to work with Violet and her women's only containers. Yeah, I just want to share a little bit more about the logistics. So there's going to be a weekly group call every other week. We're going to do a constellation which is a shadow work, healing modality, looking at Wounds from mothers, fathers, generational impacts and cultural impacts on the masculine and feminine. And then every other week is an embodiment and polarity lab where the beginning is embodiment and then the last half is polarity, where you're in breakout rooms that rotate and you're getting a chance to experience different energies, different archetypes, different ways of leaning in and playing with your edges and then also getting feedback real time. We're aiming for gender parity so that there can be, you know, a man and a woman in every room, but it might not always be that way. And it's still an opportunity to practice your edges, to either drop deeper, more into your masculine or to give yourself permission. I think a lot of us need permission slips. That for instance, I have a healthy amount of masculine, that it's okay for me to have my masculine, that I can actually like be in that and polarize someone else from that place. And it doesn't even mean that that anything about me or my sexuality, it's just a level of mastery with my own energy. And same with a man. Him being in his feminine doesn't mean anything about him and his masculinity. It's actually just a skill that he's built and is building to be more in a sense of mastery. And when I think of divine union and twin flames and soulmates and all those things, to me divine union is within it's understanding that the love story of your life is one that you create with yourself and that you can't actually go somewhere in relationship that you can't go or aren't willing to go with yourself. And, and at the same time, you know, we're not supposed to be self sufficient living in these silos in a very hyper individualized culture. Like we need community actually to create this. And when I think about the deeper vision of spaces like the love field, it's about creating a, a tribe or a community of people who are embodying divine union within, who are at their edges and growing past their edges with how they run masculine and feminine energy and who are willing to be in both their heart, their body, and their erosion in service of becoming the best lover and becoming the best partner that they can be, whether they're already in partnership or still looking for that person. And that to me creates these islands of coherence that are all about embodied love. And the more islands of coherence we have, the more safety we have in our nervous systems. When there's times of crazy chaos and political and socionomic unrest like we're living through right now, and that makes us just want to shut down, but it's actually the time that we need each other even more.

Jason Lange: Yeah, beautifully put. And so if guys are interested, what's the best way for them to find out more?

Violet Lange: You can just go to violetlang.com forward/thelove field, and you'll get information that has, like, a little PDF that has a lot of stuff on it. You can also reach out to me at any time. It's violetang.com right now. We're supposed to start on June 11th. It might get delayed a few weeks. And so all the details for that will be in that PDF if you go to violetlang. Com thelovefield.

Jason Lange: Awesome. Well, we'll drop it in the show notes as well. Definitely. Check it out. Gentlemen, and always a pleasure, my love.

Violet Lange: Yes. Thanks for having me on.