The most dangerous thing we teach boys isn't violence. It's that what's happening inside their bodies doesn't matter.
I sat down with Reah Hagues to talk about something I see play out over and over in the men I work with, and something that started way earlier than most guys realize. The suppression starts young. Boy falls down, get up, you're fine. Sit still at school. Don't make a fuss. What that actually trains into a kid is: the signals your body is sending you are wrong. You shouldn't trust them. Override them. And when a man spends enough years doing that, he ends up not knowing what's happening inside himself, not having the language for it, and turning to other things to manage. Booze, overworking, porn, food, you name it. Because no one ever taught him to name the thing.
We talked about what I call the man box and what it costs men to stay inside it. The central tenet is this idea that the ideal man is invulnerable. He's tough, he can't be stopped, he never shows weakness. That sets us up for a lifetime of pain. Because what I see with guys every day is that the actually manly thing is to feel those things and not let them run your behavior. That's the third way. Not the macho guy who bulldozes everyone, not the soft pushover who disappears. A man who can feel and still lead.
One thing I really wanted to land was the anger piece. For a lot of men, anger is a secondary emotion. Underneath it is usually grief, or fear, or something that didn't feel safe to express. Creating enough space to actually move the anger and then see what's there underneath, that's where the real shift starts to happen.
And we got into what changes when men stop trying to solve everything alone and get into real connection with other men. What happens in a men's group when one man steps into something vulnerable and lights the way for everyone else in the circle. That's where belonging and purpose start to feel real. And when a man finally has both of those, the world opens up in ways that no amount of solo grinding was ever going to touch.
What would your life look like if you stopped carrying all of it alone?
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Host (Reah Hagues): Welcome to Just the who of Us hosted by Raya Hagues. This is a space for honest, thoughtful conversations around mental health, life journeys, holistic wellnesses, and the experiences that shape who we are. Take a breath, settle in and join Raya and today's guests as we explore the stories that connect us today. With us, we have Jason Lane. And today we're going to spend a little time talking about men's mental health. You know, we, we kind of have this societal expectation of men to think and not feel their emotions. Right. Someone said to me earlier, women are expected to show every emotion but anger and men are only expecting to show anger, which is such a profound statement because that really is our societal expectation. Right. Like men are, men are expected to, oh, he's mad, that's, you know, normal, or women are emotional. And, but if, if a woman's angry, then, you know, there's a, there's something going on. So it's really this kind of weird societal expectation that we have around men and their emotional vulnerability. And so I'm, I'm excited to have you here today to show, shed some light on men's mental health and tell us a little bit about who you are.
Jason Lange: Yeah, so my name is Jason and I'm a men's embodiment, coach and group facilitator. But essentially I'm a life coach for men and I focus on supporting men in relationships and career and purpose and health and well being and vitality. And this kind of mental health component is so big and underlies so much of the stress and challenges so many modern men have. And this idea has become something I'm really passionate about, that in particular, one of the greatest ways to resource men against some of these challenges is actually just getting connected. Right. So I'm sure we'll get into it more. But one of the many messages, you know, men tend to internalize in our culture is to be a man means to be tough and to just figure everything out on your own and not ask for help. And that has some seriously detrimental impacts on men long term in terms of their mental, physical and emotional health.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah, very much so. And you know, part of what we're going to talk about is in terms of parents, men as parents, but also for men who don't have children because, you know, you know, part of this is not only the societal expectation, but there's a lot of expectation for men as parents to teach their sons certain roles, their daughters certain roles, or to be one way with their sons and be one way with their daughters. And I've, I've had the, the joy of experiencing a lot on social media, I guess in the past couple years of men expressing that, the necessity of expressing, expressing emotion and particularly when it comes to raising children. Because, yeah, you know, it's just another one of those generational cycles that we want to break. Um, you know, outside of our societal standards, we have our household standards. Right. And for so long it was a household standard to be the tough guy. And, and it brings me great joy to see the amount of men who come on social media and talk about, you know, the things they teach their sons, emotional intelligence. Because let's face it, emotional intelligence and really mental health was not a conversation that anyone was having 10 years ago, five years ago even. Really, you know, it's, I think it's been kind of maybe since COVID that we like our mental health became like a actual focus.
Jason Lange: Yeah, yeah. I mean, it greatly accelerated so many of the challenges we're seeing right now. Both for men. Right. There was a time during COVID when I was working with guys and some guys, if they weren't on a zoom call with me, that was it. They didn't have any other connection in their life. They were living in an apartment, single or solo, they couldn't go to work. Like, you know, and that highlighted, I think, a lot of the social challenges men have these days. And obviously it showed so many kinds of issues for kids, you know, in terms of getting shoved even more onto devices, which totally impacts their well being and ability to connect. These things were really highlighted in some pretty substantial ways in that, yeah, you know, this, this training that so many of us men unfortunately don't get goes back pretty early. And like you're saying, I think it's one of the actually great endeavors men can take on right now, particularly for their fathers, but really for, for anyone they can mentor in their life is showing that, yeah, it's okay to have emotions and it's okay to express them. And it's in doing that, that's, that's how we learn. And so the challenge for so many men was when we weren't taught this right from a young age. You know, it's definitely changing, but it's definitely still a thing. You know, boys and girls are often parented different. Boy falls down, get up, you're tough, you're fine, get back to it. You know, you could do it, you can do it. Not necessarily slowing down and actually attuning to the pain the kid might actually be in. Right. And that lesson often just Gets hammered into boys and men repeatedly, that whatever's happening in your body isn't important. Override it, ignore it, be tough. Right. That probably the central tenet of the kind of unhealthy masculinity so many boys and men are raised with is to be a man means to be invulnerable. Like, so the. The ideal man is invulnerable. He's tough as nails. He's Superman. He can't be hurt, can't be stopped. Doesn't anyone Never shows any weakness. And that just sets us up for a lifetime of pain, in a sense. And then in particular, we're just not taught, you know, intuitively to. To learn what's happening inside of us. And so many boys then, you know, get put into the public school systems, and I mean school systems in general, where to learn, what are we taught? Sit still, pay attention.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah.
Jason Lange: In there's a reason for that, obviously, but the message it actually signals to boys is, hey, that natural impulse in your body to move, ignore that. So what your body wants you to do is wrong. So you shouldn't listen to your body. And if you do, you're a bad kid. You have adhd, you get disciplined, all that kind of stuff. And, you know, more and more, there's research coming up. You know, there's been a growing gap in educational outcomes for boys and girls. And turns out, particularly in the younger ages, the two things you can do to pretty much erase the gap are, one, hold boys back a year. We actually do mature emotionally slower.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah.
Jason Lange: And if you just hold them back a year, they tend to do better in terms of socialization and self regulation and all kinds of stuff. And then the other thing they found was if you start the day with like, 90 minutes of vigorous physical activity and play, turns out boys have no problem sitting still. They just literally have to get the energy out of our system. But so much of schooling isn't set up for that. You know, you get these, like, little pockets of 15 minutes of recess. Many. You know, when I was growing up, we still had pe, like, every day. I think now my daughter has it maybe once a week now. It's just been eradicated from school in so many sense. And we wonder why boys are struggling. So. But the point being, this thing starts really young, where often boys aren't taught what's happening inside them. And when we don't know what's happening inside of us, we don't know what to do with it, and we don't know how to communicate it. And so that starts to create a lot of pain, essentially emotional pain, physical pain. Often for boys that they don't know how to talk about. And when you don't know how to talk about it, what ends up happening for most boys is then they try to find things outside of themselves to make them feel better or they act out. And as we get older, you know, we turn to booze, weed, porn, overworking tv, food, you know, you name it. To try to regulate ourselves because no one ever taught us, hey, that sensation you're having right now, that's grief. You feel sad, it's okay, just be with the grief or wow. You know, I got a one year old at home right now and he's very much in that phase of want something and I have to set a limit. It's like, no, you can't grab the scissors, it's not safe. Right. He gets really mad. How does he. You know, one of the great gifts we can give our kids is to teach them what that feeling is.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah.
Jason Lange: So he gets, this is the moment where the training really starts of, wow, yeah, you're really mad right now. Right. You're feeling so mad that daddy said you can't have those scissors. And that is actually how we, how kids learn in boys and girls, frankly, learn to map what's happening in their inner experience to the languaging and the vocabulary. Oh yeah, I am mad. That's right. Right. And you can start to see it register in kids. So now I know what the sensation is inside of me and it doesn't feel as overwhelming or scary. Still not pleasant. But now I can start to share things. You know, as kids get a little older, it's not just tantrums. They can say, I'm so mad, I want that. Right. And that's actually a huge leap. And that's just a place where a lot of boys are and men are severely under trained to be able to name our inner experience.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah. You know, so I, my, my youngest is adopted, but he's been with me since about four months old. And so, you know, he's aware that he is adopted and he never really got to know his birth mother. You know, there's there's kind of circumstances around like he, he knows who she is.
Jason Lange: Yeah.
Host (Reah Hagues): But you know, so there's still that, that major disconnect. And recently we had a conversation and he said to me, I'm just a little angry all the time. And I was like, that's phenomenal, like 10 years old to acknowledge that because there's been Some behavioral issues. There's been some, you know, different things. I was like, that's amazing. That's phenomenal that you can acknowledge that, you know, like broke down. And then we were able to actually start working on that to actually say, okay, well let's correlate this angry feeling that you feel all the time with these behaviors, you know, and we've actually seen a very big difference. School alone, like behavior.
Jason Lange: Yeah.
Host (Reah Hagues): A huge night and day change. Now there's also some Christmas parties that, you know, he's wanting to go to. So there's some incentives there. But sure. You know, he even brought to my attention yesterday. I think it was an incident at school. He was like, that I felt like I could get really mad about this. He said, but I just took that like they were playing Gaga ball, which I'd never heard of until this year. He's like, I just took the ball and I threw it and I walked away. Instead of like getting into it with this kid. And I was like that crazy.
Jason Lange: It's great.
Host (Reah Hagues): So when we're able to acknowledge those emotions and then we can start. Okay, well, you know, then we had the conversation. Well, you know, there's, there's kind of two parts to this. Hurt people. Hurt people. Right. And you have to understand that for one, hurting everyone else is never going to hurt the person we're actually mad at.
Jason Lange: Yeah.
Host (Reah Hagues): You know, and, and even in trying to hurt the person we're mad at by hurting other people, that it doesn't change our feeling. Right. So now we can take those things and we can move forward and how we navigate.
Jason Lange: Yeah.
Host (Reah Hagues): How we're treating other people now that we know why. And so, you know, I just, with my 25 year old, he went through a very angry period of his life. I didn't do that with him. You know, I was 14 when I had him. I was much younger. I had. No, I didn't have. I was still a very angry person. You know. So now I have certain conversations with my 25 year old, but I didn't know that little boys were allowed to expressly express emotion, you know, like as a teenage mother. And so, you know, it's one of those, like, the more, you know, the better you do. But it really also goes to speak to our, like how society has changed and become more receptive to. Oh, men can have feelings too.
Jason Lange: Yeah.
Host (Reah Hagues): And not just the, the, you know, the, the, the negative ones.
Jason Lange: Totally. And you know, the, it's a loaded term these days. But we've all heard the term the Patriarchy. But the, the thing a lot of people don't talk about is it hurts boys and men just as much as anyone else in terms of, you know, the terminology a lot of people in this space we now use is this idea of the man box, which is essentially this, okay, so there's this box of behavior you have to stay within to be considered a man. And if you don't check the list of that box, you're called all the things we can imagine less than a man. The different names, the derogatory terms. And that's what keeps has kept these young boys and men confined, right? To one of which was, like you said, the only emotion you're allowed to feel is anger. Anything else is not manly. It's not manly to feel grief, it's not manly to feel fear, it's not manly to feel shame. And we're getting to rewrite the story on that now, right? This is a big part of healthy men's work culture. It's like. No, it's actually the manly thing is to be able to feel those things and not have them take you over or define your behavior and way of being in the world. And, and this is where, you know, men can be great models for boys of what it shows, where they can show them what it means to healthily express and hold an emotion, right. That there's a huge difference, like, you know, as, as your son is discovering, between healthy anger, which is just energy in our body, and aggression, which is when we take it out on other people. And anger itself is not a problem. It's actually means we care about something. We don't get angry about things unless we care about them. And for a lot of boys and men, anger is often a secondary emotion because of what we're taught that, oh, I'm not allowed to feel this thing underneath, but I am allowed to feel anger on top of that. And as you know, you discovered, right, you start to create a safe space for the anger. And turns out there was actually a lot of grief underneath for him.
Host (Reah Hagues): Right.
Jason Lange: And a lot of times the anger is coming out. It's because there's fear or grief or uncertainty or something in you know, teaching our kids that, yeah, it's okay to be angry. Like, here's some healthy ways to do it. You know, my wife's been doing this with our six year old daughter. They're calling it their anger dojo, where they practice if you're feeling angry, what's a healthy way to move this? Right? You can punch a pillow, you can cover your mouth and scream, you can shake. You can push into each other in a wall with, you know, like, to get that energy out and that. That teaches that. Oh, okay. The energy is not the problem. It's what I do with it. So I just need some tools to learn to move it and deal with it. And then oftentimes we move a little bit of that energy and the deeper emotion can come or the relaxation can come. And these are real skills that not only boys need, but men need. Right. A lot of the work I do with men is teaching them. Hey, actually, instead of holding. Burying all this deep down inside, let's. Let's work on bringing it forward and allowing it to move through you so you're not wasting all this energy trying not to feel something in your life, which is a huge challenge for so many guys where they're constantly avoiding certain feelings. And that has a huge cost. Long term.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yes. Yeah. You know, and you mentioned grief, too. And my husband's mom passed about seven years ago, and she lived with us at the time. And I remember he said to me, maybe like a couple years after that, he felt like in the time where she passed, he was expected not to feel, not to experience, not to grieve. You know, society, first of all, well, you got to go right back to work. When someone passes, you might get, what, the day of the funeral off, if you're lucky. You know, luckily for us, his employer let him take a couple weeks off. You know, he's been there since the beginning of the company, so they should anyway.
Jason Lange: Totally.
Host (Reah Hagues): But, you know, but not everybody has that luxury. You. You might get lucky to go to the funeral. And so, you know, it's. So. It's just like having a baby for the. The. For the mother and the father you're expected to meet more so for the father, because you might get a day or two off, oh, she's out of the hospital before you come back to work. And so, you know, these. These intense moments in our lives, we really are expected to just take the minimal time and get back to the things that everyone else needs from you. And I remember that experience with him. He was like, I don't feel like I was really allowed to process and to grieve. And I felt like, as a man, I was supposed to just accept it and get over it. And. And that's not within the household. That's within the world, whether it be his own family or work or whatever the case may be. And I was like, man, that's. That's not good. You know, like that, that's. What can we do about that, you know, and, and luckily there are people that work to change, you know, how society sees things like that, such as yourself. But it was, it was an experience and I was like that's, that's crazy.
Jason Lange: So true. So many guys I work with, they feel like their inner world. One of the reasons they don't share it is because they don't want to burden other people with it. I don't want to put this on you or da, da, da. And so, again, they keep it all inside. And one of the great joys I have is I particularly get men into groups and they have this experience where another man finally does step into some kind of courageous sharing. And it's like, oh, my God, this thing's happening in my marriage or this thing's happening with my kid, and they bring it forward and they're like, wow, I'm so glad you shared that with me. I actually feel closer to you. Like, it didn't feel like a burden at all. And it's this, like, moment where I'm like. So you realize when you do that, that's how Other people experience what you share, and they're like, what? And they have this realization that, oh, all this stuff I think is going to burden other people isn't in that. Particularly as we get older and into things like men's groups, you know, we're adults. You can trust other people to say, hey, actually, you know what? Today I don't have the capacity to hear that or receive that or I'm feeling exaggerated. You don't have to manage my experience. Just come forward with your feelings, and I'll let you know. Like, hey, today, actually, it's a rough day. I can't hear that, but I want to. I'd love to talk to you tomorrow or whatever. And anyway, it starts to create this whole culture of permission where guys realize, oh, the way I feel towards a man when he shares his vulnerability is how they feel about me. And it starts to become the hack to, like, finally unlock some of this really encoded patterning.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah, yeah. And. And that kind of leads me to my next question. I want to talk a little bit about the services that you offer, and one of those is men's groups. So tell. Tell us kind of briefly about that.
Jason Lange: Yeah, I lead. One of the big things I do is I help men create, lead, or just experience what a men's group is and what I mean when I say the power of connection, particularly with other men who we can go under the surface with and really get support when we're feeling challenged or down, and also be held accountable when there's something really important in our life we want to bring forward. And a men's group's really just a place for men to learn to slow down, actually get connected to their bodies, their feelings, and get really clear about what's working, what's not working in life and what's in the way. And then we get communal support around that. And what it does is it just tends to accelerate men's lives. They get more of what they want.
Host (Reah Hagues): Right.
Jason Lange: Simple way I can put it, their relationships get better. They get raises at work. Their health goes up, because we all do better when we grow together in community, despite all the programming we get as men. And so a men's group, you know, is a way to just tackle life with a team, in a sense. Right. And guys, you know, they get so attached to these kind of romantic, cowboy, rugged, individual stuff. And, you know, I'm like, well, there's a reason. You know, one thing guys love is you talk about Navy seals like, they don't train alone. They train together as a Team. Why do they train together as a team? Because they're more effective. That's it. It's more effective. So you need to have a team as a man, right? And that team is going to help you navigate your life more successfully and get clear about where you want to go and what's in the way. In a men's group, I have different versions of that. I have online versions for guys that just want to experience it. I have versions that include retreats so you can actually get together in person. I have trainings on how to start your own group. It's really this big shift that it is one of the greatest investments men can make right now is in other men, and it pays dividends, right? In their intimate relationships, in their families, in their works, in their work, because we start to get feedback about how we're showing up in life. And a men's group is a particularly. A great place where men get to experience something that so many men, as they finally actually taste it, are like, oh, my God, I didn't even know how bad I was craving that. And that's loving, caring feedback from other men. So this, you know, the teacher and author and therapist Terry Real calls it carefrontation. It's where I'm going to confront you, but with care. Not to shame you, not to knock you down, but because I love you and I know you and I see you. I. I kind of frame this as the spinach in the teeth moment, right? It's like you're. You're going through life, and then suddenly, finally someone's like, hey, do you realize you have a huge piece of spinach in your teeth? And you're like, oh, really? I do. Kind of embarrassed. But then it's like, wow. But thank you for telling me, because all those other people today, no one told me, and I've been walking around like an idiot. I actually trust you more now because you. You showed care for me to reflect something to me that I might not have been aware of. And men thrive with that. Sometimes it's like a little edgy to receive it, but the. The feeling that, wow, someone is paying attention to me and wants me to succeed, it's like fuel for the fire of men's achievement. And when they get that from a community, it. It becomes like uns. We become kind of unstoppable in a sense, where it's like, wow, I don't have to worry about every single thing because I got, you know, six, 10 other men who have my back. And when someone's watching My back. Guess what? I can actually just pay attention to what's in front of me instead of having to always be on. On the lookout for what I'm not seeing or worried about. And so I do, you know, I do a lot of work with men, but the thing I'm most passionate about is getting guys into groups and having the experience of what can happen when they get connected to other men.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah, It's. You know, as humans, we need other human connection. Right. That's just. That's just what it is. And, you know, it's one of the one, if not the thing that we do as coaches to take our experience.
Jason Lange: Yeah.
Host (Reah Hagues): Think, okay, how can I benefit the world? How can I benefit other people? It's, you know, talking about your own experience, you know, like you said, can really save someone's life potentially.
Jason Lange: Yeah.
Host (Reah Hagues): You know, totally rate among men is high. And having someone who you can understand through their life experience could be life saving.
Jason Lange: It's so true. It. I think that's the other thing that actually ends up creating a lot of empowerment in guys and groups is the realization that bringing forward something vulnerable, talking about my challenges in life, it doesn't just serve me because what I see in groups over and over, you know, is we call it lighting the way, where it's like one man comes forward with a vulnerability or a truth or shares something hard or feels something hard, and what it does is it actually leads the way, and it creates this place that other men can then step into. I see this in groups all the time. You know, I wasn't going to share this, but then, da, da, da. You were so brave in how you shared that. And I realized, like, I got to do this, too. And so that gave me the courage to bring forward this thing that I've been struggling with. And then it starts to, like, go through the group, and men just become more inspired because they see when that man shared, it freed something in me. So maybe if I share, it'll free something in another man and it starts to create this beautiful chain reaction. And very much can. You never know when sharing your inner world might be the key to saving someone else and helping them realize, wow, I thought. I thought I was doomed or that no one else would ever understand this. And you just showed me that I'm not alone. And so if you can handle this, maybe I can handle this, too.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah. You know, I can't tell you how many times in. In podcasting and having a guest on we'll talk about something, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. You know, or like, it. It kind of leads to me maybe facing something in my own life or.
Jason Lange: Yeah.
Host (Reah Hagues): You know, the, The. The thing that led to the conversation with my son was actually what's called an ICU letter and had a. Another parenting coach on, and they were talking.
Jason Lange: Oh, nice.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah. So they mentioned the ICU letter and I wrote it and I gave it to my son. And when I came back in the room, that's when we had this moment. So, you know, like, I didn't know anything about that, but I had this guest on and she mentioned it to me and I. And it changed the trajectory of our relationship potentially. So, you know. Yeah, it's. It's, you know, sharing your experience with someone, it not only helps you feel understood and related and it could be anything but, you know, like. Yeah, no, no two people's stories are identical, but there is someone out there in the world who gets what you're going through. It's. At some point, you know, it may not be the identical details, but the situation is the same, same. And they've either come through it or they're struggling through it. They may be at a different point than you are and you can influence their journey. You know, you, you just, you never know, but it's. It usually has a positive beneficial outcome for one, if not both of you.
Jason Lange: So true. Yeah, I totally agree. And again, it's. It's one of the cool things I see men start to register is, oh, this actually becomes a type of leadership where I can serve and support other men. And if there's one thing that gets, you know, the masculine going is we love taking care of other people. Right? This feeling of, oh, I can support, I can help. I have a purpose. And turns out me learning to work with my emotions, my pain, creating connection, it can serve others in my community, other men, young boys, and really starts to change the game for guys. I've seen long term in groups where it gives them this real sense of purpose that, okay, yeah, I'm not doing this just for me. I'm doing it for other people. And that really just makes things a lot more meaningful for men and helps, I think for a lot of guys, really tackle some of the. The crisis of purpose and meaning where they just don't know what to do in life. Where. Where am I supposed to help? How can I help? I want to help, but I don't know how to help. Getting into community like this actually brings forward some very visceral and personal ways. You can start to Help men in your life. And again, it. What I've seen groups do more than anything else is give men a sense of belonging and a sense of purpose. And when a man has a sense of belonging and purpose.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah.
Jason Lange: The world's his oyster.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Before we have to wrap up, I want to. I want to talk about briefly, your podcast. So the Evolutionary Men. That's. That's your podcast, correct?
Jason Lange: Yeah.
Host (Reah Hagues): Tell us a little bit, you know, briefly about the. The conversations that you have on that podcast and.
Jason Lange: Sure, yeah.
Host (Reah Hagues): If you have guests come on and things like that.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah, yeah. I sent the podcast to my husband, so I'll, you know, I'll let you know how that goes, what he thinks. He. There's a few podcasts that he listens to. So, yeah, I think he'll definitely add this to his list, but I'll let you know separately, you know, his feedback.
Jason Lange: Sure. Yeah. Men love podcasts. That's one thing I've learned. Men love listening to podcasts. I think. Yeah, it's a nice stop gap for a lot of men. They're like, well, I don't want to go to therapy right away, but if you're like, hey, listen to this podcast. They start. They start to get it, and it's a way in. It's a great gateway for so many guys.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Well, is there anything else that you would like to say before we wrap up? No.
Jason Lange: Thank you so much for having me and helping get the message out. And, yeah, if you are a man listening and you want to learn more, you can check out the podcast. You. You can visit my site at Evolutionary Men. All the different kinds of men's groups and programs and things I lead are on there, and you don't even have to work with me. So my main passion is getting men connected in groups. So if you're like, I don't know where to start. I want to find something in my town or city. Just reach out with the contact form on my site, and I'm very plugged in to, you know, men's group world at this point, and I can at least point you in the right direction so it doesn't even have to be me you work with. But don't wait. You know, a lot of guys wait till there's a crisis to start to get support. And the truth is, the crisis will be a lot easier if you already have the support.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah.
Jason Lange: Already have support. And it's like, okay, yeah, I just, you know, my parent died or I lost my job. And it's not quite as devastating because we have something to catch us, which is community and other men. So, you know, you can start now.
Host (Reah Hagues): Yeah, I love that. That's perfect. All right, well, thank you so much for being here, and I look forward to talking to you again.
Jason Lange: Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks so much for having me.
Host (Reah Hagues): Thank you for spending this time with us on Just the who of Us. We hope today's conversation offered reflection comfort or a moment of clarity. If this episode resonated with you, feel free to share it with someone who may need it. Until next time, take care of yourself. And remember, you're not alone in the journey.
