All right, well first off, I'll say this was such a fun conversation to have with Dr. Stephanie. We covered a lot of ground around male sexuality, relationships, and what it actually takes for men to show up more fully in their intimate lives.
One of the things we dug into was how so many men's relationship to sexuality gets shaped by porn, often starting at a really young age. And it's not just about the content itself. For a lot of guys I work with, porn and masturbation become the primary tool for emotional regulation. You're stressed, overwhelmed, don't know how to process what you're feeling, so you reach for the quick hit. The problem is, that pattern keeps you stuck. You never learn to actually deal with the tension in your body or communicate what's going on inside.
We also talked about the whole erectile dysfunction piece, which for younger guys is rarely physiological. It's usually driven by shame, performance anxiety, and a ton of internal pressure. What kills intimacy isn't the ED itself. It's when shame takes over and we withdraw or get defensive. There are a million ways to stay connected and keep pleasure going, but that requires being present in your body and willing to communicate.
Another big theme was how much men need other men. So many guys are carrying all their emotional needs into their intimate relationship, expecting their partner to be lover, best friend, therapist, everything. When men get into real community with other men, where they can actually talk about this stuff and receive support and touch, it takes so much pressure off the relationship. Suddenly there's more room for play, for ease, for actual connection.
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Jason Lange: Thank you so much for having me. Dr. Stephanie, excited to be here?
Host: Yeah, absolutely. So how did you kind of get into the world of helping men?
Jason Lange: Yeah, my journey in supporting men really started in with my journey and the support I needed. So I was raised in a family, kind of lower middle class family in the Midwest of the United States, had most of my basic security needs. You know, met white, privileged guy in a lot of ways. But as I became particularly a teenager and I'm heterosexual in my case, and as my body started to develop and I was interested in girls, I discovered I didn't know how to do it. I didn't know how to talk to women. I was extremely uncomfortable in my body around women in particular. And later as I discovered, even around men. And that was really a gateway for me into realizing, oh, wow, I was raised a little differently than some people and long and short of it was while I had my security needs met as a young boy, my house was completely absent of touch and emotional connection. So that's tough. I became a teenager, my body literally didn't know what it Felt like to just give or receive touch and let alone to communicate what was happening inside my mind. And I would get all anxious and kind of clammy and really heavily ruminate when I was around women. I didn't know how to talk to them. And that really kick started a journey of, okay, there's gotta be a different way to do this. And in my case, I dealt with the loneliness, was totally addicted to porn, had some eating problems. And as I got into my 20s, it took me a long time. I hadn't kissed a girl till I was in college, didn't have my first sexual experiences till my mid to late 20s. And it took me doing a lot of inner work to become comfortable, particularly around touch was my kind of gateway and, and learning to kind of relax in my body and all the things I needed to do to eventually create healthy, intimate connections.
Host: It always amazes me how much our childhood really impacts our adult ability to be in relationships, to be a whole person. It's. It's phenomenal to me. And you know, there's always the joke about, well, it's my parents fault or whatever. And I get that we can be comical about it too. But there's so much truth in how we were raised and how it develops us as adults.
Jason Lange: 100%. And as I work with a lot of my men around, you know, a lot of guys are sometimes afraid. They're like, my parents were doing the best they could and they don't want to, you know, vilify them, but I tend to just mark it as well. It's not about blaming them, but it is about acknowledging the impact of how you were raised. That even, you know, even the best parents can't give us everything we need. Exactly. Right. But it starts with ack acknowledging that. And so my house, right, there was no emotional connection, no communication, no touch, absolutely no talk about sex, let alone, you know, my parents, they didn't have a passionate connection. So I never had it modeled for me. What it even looked like and felt like to be around a couple who was connecting intimately, right. They didn't flirt, they didn't kiss, didn't get the sense that they were connected in an intimate way. They were just kind of two people living in the same house. And lo and behold, that's a story I hear from so many men I work with. And in that vacuum when we never had anything modeled for us, and you know, as you very well know, our pretty subpar educational system, a lot of, I include myself in this. A lot of us boys are Raised on porn. It's kind of our gateway to sexuality. And that in itself obviously creates all kinds of dysfunction and problems in terms of expectations around what sex should be.
Host: Yeah. You know, it's interesting because for a long time, I would treat men in their late 40s, 50s, 60s, and beyond for erectile dysfunction. And in the last couple of years, especially since COVID which is interesting because that's the lack of touch again. Right. The lack of relationships, the lack of touch that we had during that period. And I'm having guys in their 20s and 30s coming in with severe ed. And their biggest thing is masturbating and porn and masturbating frequently with specific ways they masturbate and specific types of porn that they watch. And so they get so wrapped up in this one way of getting off that when it comes to partnered sex, nothing works for them because it's not that particular map.
Host: Right.
Jason Lange: You know, like you want to actually get in touch with that and realize there's lots of ways to open yourself sexually and feel pleasure and whatnot. But it is a huge, I think it's a big crisis right now. And you know, I, I, you probably know the stats even more than me. It's something like the, the amount of people having sex under the age, it just keeps going down like every year. Which is kind of crazy.
Host: Yeah, it really is. You know, and I think it's interesting because I'm not sure exactly what your age was, but when I was growing up, porn was you had to like, if you didn't have access to it because we weren't 18 yet, you had to like put the magazine through the plastic cover to try and see things. You had, maybe your friend had a VHS tape, but you had to like watch it at night after the parents went to bed, like on mute, you know, like. And so it wasn't always there. And so I think now this generation of having it on their phone, on their computer, everywhere, even regular TV programs are basically soft porn now. And so it's everywhere. No wonder they go straight to that for release.
Jason Lange: Yeah, totally. I was like, yeah, exactly. Generation wise. You know, the Internet came right in my late high school, like broadband Internet. So I kind of had toes in both worlds. But like it started with, yeah, someone found magazines and they were stored in the field and you know, it was like the local treasure kind of thing. Very different than, you know, but in a sense you had to like go and find it right back then, which is very different than now. It's like you just open your phone and it comes to you.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: You know, and is available anywhere. And what that does to men, long term, just in terms of their health and physiology, let alone one of the issues I had with it was as I progressed in my work and you know, was learning to get in touch with myself, breaking through layers of numbness, getting more comfortable in my body and communication. The challenge is right for a lot of us guys after we ejaculate prolactin hits and the very last thing we want to do is take any kind of action. Right. It actually shuts the system down. And the problem I would have is I was so addicted to porn that it was just easier to stay home and open up an Internet browser than it was to actually go out in the world and get uncomfortable and interact with human beings.
Host: Right.
Jason Lange: And so a lot of the work I do with, with men, you know, we're coming up on so called no nut November is learning. Hey, what does it mean to. It's not about demonizing masturbation, but it's about learning what is the difference in feeling in your body when you haven't ejaculated for a while and when you have. In most men I work with, you know, I usually do like a 30 day challenge. It's a pretty profound experience. You know, there's guys I work with in their 40s, 50s and 60s that have never gone more than a day without ejaculating for decades, decades. And as they just allow that to restore a bit a certain type of energy and what I kind of call hunger comes back online, which lo and behold is the very hunger and fire we need to. Wow, there's someone I'm attracted to. I'm actually going to walk across the cafe and say hi. And my life profoundly shifted in my. I think I ended up doing it in my 30s. The first time I really took on one of these challenges, I, I did, I think it was four months and then I had one sexual experience and then three months and that was just it. There was one time in like seven months and it was crazy.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: How much my body changed, how much my energy changed.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: You know, I wasn't really telling people what I was doing that hey, you know, but it was so funny. The comments I would get are, have you lost weight? You like you, you've looked really. I hadn't actually lost any weight, but the energy in my body and mano cheese, so to speak, I had. People didn't know how to explain it, but they're like, you feel different. Like I just wasn't this kind of like, ugh.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: Just had vibrancy. And so it's a big thing I work with men on in terms of unwinding that and learning to rewrite their challenges often around sexual health.
Host: Yeah. I think that's amazing. And you know, I love self pleasure and self practice and all of those things. And I think what you said earlier, that helping guys learn that there are other ways of pleasure rather than just masturbate, climax, have sex, climax. There are. You can touch yourself in different Ways you can use different techniques, different pressures, different temperatures, whatever, and, you know, just really getting into that. Yeah. Like you said, not demonizing masturbation, not demonizing porn, Doing it in the right ways is super healthy and all those things. And, you know, there's great research out there that talks about how great it is to have regular orgasms and all those things. So obviously, love that. I have a sex podcast. Love that. But there is so much to taking a break, learning the focus, getting that energy and the amount of enjoyment and pleasure that you can achieve subsequently to that is phenomenal.
Jason Lange: Yeah, yeah. This is. You know, it's so interesting. One of the challenges, I think, for men is, you know, the female body has the natural rhythm of a monthly cycle. Right. So things build up and then there's a release. And while, you know, there's some research that we kind of have something like that as men, it's very different. And this is where I do see things get so complex for us guys, particularly between the masculine culture we're taught around what it means to be a man and what your relationship to your emotions are, which are essentially, to be a man means to be invulnerable. Don't show any weakness, never share your feelings. You better not cry. Don't ask for help. Right. This whole kind of programming that men still fall for, honestly, in terms of like what a real man is. But the challenge in a lot of the work I do with men, you know, I don't have the background you have. So when I'm working with men, it tends to be more from kind of a psycho spiritual side of things. And the truth about men is because we don't have a monthly cycle, what I find for a lot of men is their orgasm is a tool for emotional discharge, whether it's in relationship or self pleasure. Right. There's this idea of like, I have to get off, there is tension in my body and I have to get it out of me. Right. Of even in terms of masturbation. Right. That's a very different outcome.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: For your masturbation than an actual. I'm going to enjoy my body, feel pleasure instead. It's this thing like I have to get through to get to a certain outcome to discharge this emotional content, which is so high for a lot of men because they like me. You know, I didn't have any awareness of what I was feeling inside, let alone how to communicate it and what to handle it. And so there's this sense of I need to constantly ejaculate in order to manage my emotions. And again, whether that's a masturbation practice or even with a partner, it doesn't create the most connected pleasurable sexual experience. When that's your. When your main reason from doing for doing it is getting away from something versus wanting to create some kind of connection or intimacy. And you know, that shift from kind of outcome oriented sex to the process itself is such a big one for men. It was for me in terms of, oh, okay, there's a whole other explained territory or terrain here that lo and behold, the more you lean into that too, the more you do get older. And if Ed comes up, it's not such a big deal.
Host: Right?
Host: Yes.
Jason Lange: Right. You have a whole body.
Host: Yes.
Jason Lange: Right.
Host: 99% of your body is not your penis.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: A sports screen, a sporting event, an activity, fishing. So we're with each other and we're connecting, but it's very different than we're facing each other, putting our attention on each other and actually talking about our lives.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: And many men are completely lacking that, even if they have so called male friends. And what that ends up doing is it puts so much pressure on guys because then for a lot of men, the only place they feel safe bringing emotional connection is with their intimate partner. And then suddenly there's so much pressure put on that relationship because for a lot of guys then the gateway to them becoming emotionally expressive is through sexual connection.
Host: Oh.
Jason Lange: If we're connecting sexually, then I kind of, my heart opens up, I connected to her, I can talk about things. But then if there's a problem with the sexual connection, it's harder to get to that heart connection or I only feel safe sharing my emotions with my intimate partner. And that can be hard on them because suddenly they're our lover, our best friend, our therapist, our confidant. And it puts so much pressure on that relationship versus when men get into Community and learn. Not only can I get some of my emotional connection made met from other men, but this is a huge one that completely rewires men. But touch, just like getting a hug from another man is completely game changing. When men learn how to do it. Not just like the bro hug, we can't, can't let our dicks touch hug, but the actual belly to belly. Hey, man, come in. You know I got you. As men get connected in that it relieves so much pressure from their intimate relationship. And when there's less pressure, guess what? There's more room for play and connection and that ease we were talking about. And then men can talk about these inner things, whether it's sexual health challenges or emotional health challenges. And every time I lead these groups, men are like, oh, my God, I thought I was the only one. Yeah, turns out I'm not the only one. That in itself is such good medicine and relaxes me. And now instead of holding this all inside and shame, I can just talk about it and then we can actually compare notes and we can grow and support each other in our journeys. And it just, it's such a change for guys.
Host: Yeah, that's amazing. Do you find that with your men's group, in person is better. Do you do online, like, Zoom kind of things? How does that work for you?
Jason Lange: Yeah, I've, I do both. I support men in experiencing both. I'm part of both myself. I have an in person group and I have virtual groups. There is definitely a certain magic if you can physically get in a room with men. Again, touch connection, just like a level of presence that if you can do it, is awesome. But, you know, as we navigated, Covid and Zoom came online, you can have a very effective experience, even just virtually. Like, I've been shocked at how well it can really support men. And, you know, if we consider it a spectrum, an in person group's the best. But a good virtual group can get you 80, 90% of the benefits, I think in a pretty effective way. And for some people, it's actually easier. Like, I got two kids and it's actually easier to sometimes just hop on a Zoom and not have to leave my house juggling jobs and stuff. And, you know, I'll also name for some men, you know, not a small amount of men I work with, some of their deepest trauma actually came from other men. Bullying, sure. Abuse. And so trusting other men is extremely edgy for them. And it has a with it. And what I found there is the virtual is a great gateway. Okay, back to healthy connection. Because, okay, I'm in my own room. It's just on a screen. It doesn't necessarily trigger the bodily alarm that being in a room with, you know, eight or nine other men might initially. And it becomes like a softer on ramp for some guys and then they feel more comfortable. I know those guys. So, you know, if I spend time with them online, it's totally different to then meet up. So they're both really valuable. And the, the other nice thing about virtual these days is, you know, I work with a gu all around the country in the world and if you're not lucky to live in a certain locale or geography where this works a little more present, you don't have many choices. But virtual means, oh yeah, cool. You could be in the middle of nowhere and still have a powerful community with you of men that you cultivate. So both are quite effective. And I wouldn't necessarily say one's better than the other, that they both have gifts and challenges.
Host: Sure, sure, absolutely. I love that you get into the emotional part of it with men. I can tell you from my own relationships. I have met been with men that fit in the box and life is about them. Life is about their orgasm. Life is, you know, they follow. They don't know how to emotionally connect. They don't know how to support me when I have emotions because they're not in touch with their own. And I've had relationships with men with great emotional intelligence and being able to connect emotionally makes that physical connection so much better and so much stronger. I love that you do that and that you allow men to tap into that side of them.
Jason Lange: Yeah, it's one of the big shifts. You know, I think a lot of men get stuck in and some of the work I do is this either or mentality. Right. Which is either you're kind of more that traditional macho my way or the highway me oriented guy who's in certain ways a strong leader. They know what they want, they're connected to their cocks. Like, you know, they go for what they want. But like you said, they have no relational capacity to be attuned to what the other person wants or needs or the impact of it. And you know, we've had literally tens of thousands of years of demonstrations of the damage those kind of men can cause. So you know, it's interesting, a lot of the men I work with are the kind of pendulum swing away from that in that grew up either being raised by mothers who had, you know, absentee fathers or you know, even Younger kids. It's even stronger now kind of as we've gone through the me too movement of seeing. Oh, yeah, I don't like, literally, I hear this phrase all the time. I don't want to be that guy. Don't want to be the angry, dangerous, sexual predator notch on the belt guy. But then the pendulum swings a little bit too far to the other side, to the so called kind of nice guy. Right. I'm not really connected to my power, to my sexuality, to my desire. In fact, I have a lot of shame around my desire as a man. I've been told it's bad. I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable, so I'm super friendly. I don't want to push my agenda. So I want you to take the lead. You let me know. And you know, for a lot of female partners, they're like, I'm leading my life all day long. Like, can you please at least just plan the date?
Host: Yes.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: You know, I just had to be present and not, like, immediately go into mental fixing mode and try to change her feelings.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: You know? Yeah. It's so great.
Jason Lange: Yeah. And it sounds like you've had. Right. This is what I tell a lot of guys, is, you know, I do help a lot of men learn to step kind of back into their directive, masculine guidance, but it's not from A place of dominating my way or the highway. It's. I actually want to offer this as a gift to my partner because oftentimes my partner is crushing it all day.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: And doesn't want to do that more. But the paradox is once, you know, I mean, you can share this with me, but like, once. Once I've heard from so many women, once we know our partner can do that, they don't have to do it all the time.
Host: Right.
Jason Lange: Like, I'm totally happy to tag team now. Like, hey, no, you plan the day tonight. It's just knowing that he has that capacity to step forward into the leadership in itself is so healing. And then there's a certain amount of reciprocity that can go back and forth. And a lot of guys, you know, again, are afraid to take that lead. Not only in that more relational way, but, yeah, absolutely, in the bedroom. Now, that's with so many guys I know. Right. They're just in terror. Right. Of making a first move or going for what they want and then they get up in their heads and then, you know, again, it causes so many issues with that where it's like, no, you can just learn to be in your body, learn to read her body, and it can just be a fun exploration and taking the lead in that way, and it changes things completely. And having that emotional connection just deepens it all when it's really there.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: And I think that's the thing a lot of the kind of macho guys don't get.
Host: Yes. Yeah. I mean, you really. You elevate your entire life. Once you can get in touch with all aspects of yourself and, you know, the bedroom part of it, when you're saying, you know, the performance anxiety and things like that, you know, that takes me back to the porn part where porn isn't real. They can push pause. They can get hard again. They can. Most of them use injections like we give to guys who have terrible ed. They don't have ed, but they use it because this isn't their partner. There is no emotional connection. There's directors and people around them telling them what to do and how hard to do it, and that's not sexy. And so you're watching a clip of this guy banging this girl out for 45 minutes. They probably stopped five times in there because he needed to catch his breath and he needed to get hard again. And he, you know, like, it's not real, you know, and so my son is a 17 and his buddies are over all the time. And this is stuff I talk to them about, because I don't want them thinking that that is reality and that then they're going to go to these other young girls and like think about having sex or doing whatever and thinking they need to have these long sessions.
Jason Lange: Like no, yeah, totally.
Host: There's a time and place for a 45 minute session, but it's not all the time.
Jason Lange: Yeah.
Host: So good, you know, responsive desire. Or is it, you know, can I say no, but can we still cuddle? Can I still give him something even if I'm truly not in the mood? Maybe I really don't feel well that day. Maybe I'm starting my period and I'm all crampy and whatever.
Jason Lange: Yeah.
Host: But what can I give him so that he doesn't feel rejected completely? Because I've had guys who get to the point where they don't touch their wife at all because every time they do, she flinches like she's gonna have to have sex. And it's like, well, we don't have to have sex just because we're touching. We can do other things. It goes back to the there's a pleasure in other ways. It doesn't have to be pnv, you know, you can do other things to get that pleasure and that connection with each other.
Jason Lange: Yeah. Teaching men how to have that conversation, it's one I've had to have with my wife of like, hey, just so you know, sometimes when I reach for you, it doesn't mean, yeah, we have to have sex. Like it's okay for us just to cuddle.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: Or connect. And again, when men realize that, oh my God, touch is available to me and in itself is co regulating even when it's doesn't lead to sex. It's such a huge game changer.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: And sometimes it can be nice just to tell your partner, like, hey, we don't have to have sex right now. But I want to connect, you know, I want to connect.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: And it just opens up so much space. And paradoxically, oftentimes once you end up connecting like that, eroticism wind up flowing.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: Maybe not that moment, but later in the day it starts to kind of create the connection channel. And it is just reprogramming so much for men that again, the more we take care of our physical and emotional health, the easier it is for us to thrive in our, in our sexual health. And getting connected to other men is just. I've been shocked how much it improves intimate relationships.
Host: Yeah.
Jason Lange: You know, I'll also say one of the great things about men's groups, and I've experienced this many times, I must admit, is come to come to a circle with my guys and I'm all charged up about something in my relationship. And you know, my wife, da da da da da, and I kind of share the story. And they're like, you know, it actually kind of sounds like it's more you than her. And I'm like, what? And then they're like, yeah, no, da da. And it's like, get kind of caught. And then there's like, wow, you're totally right. I have a part to play in this I haven't been acknowledging. And it's so funny because then instead of going home and having a fight, I get to go home and connect with my partner in a way. And that's one of the big ways I've seen it shift relationships where we're forced to take responsibility for our side of things, which doesn't mean it's always our fault. But, you know, every relationship has two people in it.
Host: Right. And I think that's such a great thing that guys do for each other that women don't do as well. We are better at just cheerleading our friend and being like, yeah, you're right, him. Like, you know, whatever. And guys, they'll call each other out on their. And it's really nice. And I do have some female friends where we'll be like, excuse me, you're being a. Like, let's tone that down. Like, let's, you know, whatever. But, yeah, I think men are better at calling each other out on stuff and not getting upset about it. Right. So, like, if one of my friends calls me out on something, I'm emotionally going to react first versus intellectually be like, oh, maybe I am being wrong. Maybe I did contribute to that. I. My thing is, like, why are you telling me I contributed to that? Like, why are you calling me out? You know? And so I think men are way better at that, just at baseline, than women. So I appreciate that so much when men can have that connection and do that for each other, because we're not as good at that. We're much better at cheerleading and going hard.
Jason Lange: Yeah. For a lot of guys, you know, it's actually one of the deepest types of intimacy we can experience with another man is when a man gives us loving feedback. I call it the spinach in the teeth moment.
Host: Okay?
Jason Lange: Like, hey, dude, are you aware you got spinach in your teeth? And you're like, what? Oh, my God, No, I didn't. And then there's this moment, though, of, well, well, what the hell? No one else told me, and I've been walking around all day, but you had enough love to actually tell me, make me a little uncomfortable because you care about me. And that creates, like, a deep level of trust and bonding that a lot of men, as I expose them to it, you know, whether it's with me or other groups, they realize they actually really want because it allows them to relax that, oh, my God, I don't have to be vigilant all the time. I have men that are watching me and will give me feedback if it feels like I'm drifting in my relationship with my kids or in work. And even that process, I think, to tie it back to the bedroom is so good for men because it's learning to just receive feedback and not get defensive or posturing or aggressive or as I used to say, you know, a challenge I had to work with in my marriage was I would lawyer up so my wife would give me some kind of feedback, and then I would become this lawyer and try to explain to her while her feeling was wrong. You just, oh, you didn't understand my intention. Doesn't help at all. Learning to get feedback from other men and not collapse in shame like, oh, my God, I'm broken. I'm not worth it. And not posture. Guess what? The more we do that with other men, the easier it is also to get feedback, even in terms of just intimacy, of, oh, hey, actually, I don't want to be touched like that today. Okay, great. So I'll adjust. It doesn't mean I'm a terrible lover and you never want to have sex with me again. Which, if we haven't done our work as men, that will totally trigger it. Used to for me, the whole shame thing of, oh, my God, my sexuality is wrong, how I want to have sex is wrong. I don't know my partner. Instead, it's just like, oh, that's just feedback. Okay. Right. It's just like I have to adjust right now and what worked yesterday does not work necessarily today. Right. That's just the way intimacy works. Even though we want it to always be the same and know the cheat code is men. Right. Just give me the manual.
Host: Right.
Jason Lange: There's no manual. Right. You just have to get present and be open to feedback both from your men and from your partner. Partners.
Host: Yeah. So true. Yeah. How many of you can still spin off the Nintendo acbc, whatever thing, you know? Like, you guys really, like, Totally.
Jason Lange: When can you do up, up, down, down? I know that code.
Host: Yes. You guys want a code, but there's not always a code. Sometimes we gotta adjust. I love it. I love it.
Jason Lange: Not always a code. That's. Yeah, that's great.
Host: So tell everybody how they can work with you, how they can connect with you, because I have absolutely loved this conversation. I love what you do for men. So I want to definitely send people your way.
Jason Lange: Yeah, absolutely. Easiest way to keep up with me is at my website, Evolutionary Men. So it's not.com, it's.men. and on there, there's all kinds of. I have my own podcast, often frequent guest on other podcasts. And my main thing is I do one on one coaching with men, But I'm really passionate about getting men into men's groups and communities. I run men's groups around dating and relationships, around shadow work and emotional healing and just the experience of getting into a men's group. If you've ever like, what is that? What does that look like? There's lots of ways you can do it virtually with me, I do retreats, all that kind of stuff. And even if you don't work with me, I'm just very passionate about getting men into community because I think that's one of the really huge missing pieces in our culture right now that's creating all kinds of challenge for men. And so I'm very well networked. So I'll help you find something. If you're like, where do I start? Because that's a lot of guys just don't know where to start. You can just email me and we'll, we'll try to find something in your area or you can work with me, it really doesn't matter. But know that you don't have to figure out all this stuff alone. And if there's one medicine I've seen move the ball in men's life, it's just more connection to other guys. Just relaxes so much in our nervous systems as men. And lo and behold, we have better sex. You get into a men's group, you're a better sex. I know it's so people are like, what are you talking about? But I just see it time and time again.
Host: Yeah, that's amazing. That's amazing. Jason, thank you so much for being here. You have been a wealth of knowledge today. I really appreciate you and everybody. Thanks so much for listening and go have some fun between those sheets. Thank you for joining us and exploring sexual health topics here on between the Sheets. New episodes are available every Wednesday. Please subscribe and rate our podcast so we can reach more listeners. And don't forget to tell your friends, partners and anyone who will listen about between the Sheets Send any comments, questions or stories to Podcast between the sheets gmail.com it's all one word podcast between the sheetsmail.com thanks for listening and go have some fun between the Sheets.
